Dear friends
I have something to ask you. If we happen to have someone we know infected
to Aids, how are we going to live with them and ease their mind condition?
07
Mar
How to live in harmony with people who have Aids
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Ekasit wrote:
> Dear friends
> I have something to ask you. If we happen to have someone we know infected
> to Aids, how are we going to live with them and ease their mind condition?
Show them Dr. Duesberg’s research that HIV does not cause AIDS..
A.B.T.
In article <331DD42E.4…@prodigy.net>, K…@prodigy.net wrote:
> Ekasit wrote:
> > Dear friends
> > I have something to ask you. If we happen to have someone we know infected
> > to Aids, how are we going to live with them and ease their mind condition?
> Show them Dr. Duesberg’s research that HIV does not cause AIDS..
> A.B.T.
Then show them all the research that says HIV does cause AIDS and how
combinations of drugs can be used to effect treatment.
They can make up their own mind then.
AC Kirk
Bernie <K…@prodigy.net> writes
>Ekasit wrote:
>> Dear friends
>> I have something to ask you. If we happen to have someone we know
>>infected
>> to Aids, how are we going to live with them and ease their mind
condition?
>Show them Dr. Duesberg’s research that HIV does not cause AIDS..
You might as well tell them to shove their head up their ass, for all the
good your message did. Why didn’t you just tell them that it was their
illicit drug use that caused it in the first place, as you are so inclined
to say again, and again, and again.
Ekasit,
If you love them you all you need to do is to continue to love them and
live with them as before this announcement was declared. Listen to them
when they need to vent, hold and support them when there are down. If
it’s your sexual partner, prctice safer sex techniques to protect
yourself. LOVE THEM!
Roger Lipsey
just a ripple on still water
Bernie <K…@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Ekasit wrote:
>> Dear friends
>> I have something to ask you. If we happen to have someone we know infected
>> to Aids, how are we going to live with them and ease their mind condition?
>Show them Dr. Duesberg’s research that HIV does not cause AIDS..
And then point them to the collected data from hundreds of researchers
around the world that show HIV causes AIDS and that Duesberg is wrong.
George M. Carter
Walkinblue wrote:
> Ekasit,
> If you love them you all you need to do is to continue to love them and
> live with them as before this announcement was declared. Listen to them
> when they need to vent, hold and support them when there are down.
I agree so far.
> If it’s your sexual partner, prctice safer sex techniques to protect
> yourself. LOVE THEM!
Forget it..The way to love someone is not to shove a condom on. Look at
both sides of the HIV/AIDS story. Plus Roger, I never said someone gets
HIV from drugs.
A.B.T.
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George M. Carter wrote:
> Bernie <K…@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >Ekasit wrote:
> >> Dear friends
> >> I have something to ask you. If we happen to have someone we know infected
> >> to Aids, how are we going to live with them and ease their mind condition?
> >Show them Dr. Duesberg’s research that HIV does not cause AIDS..
> And then point them to the collected data from hundreds of researchers
> around the world that show HIV causes AIDS and that Duesberg is wrong.
> George M. Carter
Excluding Duesberg from the discussion and analyzing the facts
and the science (a foreign Carter-Concept), one must point out
that nobody really knows how HIV causes AIDS or exactly when,
although there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to illustrate
the cascade of events that accompany disease progression. However,
none of those circumstances support anything factually scientific
that would justify mass human experimentation with toxic cocktails
of cancer chemotherapy drugs in hundreds of possible combinations
with the single intent of killing a virus despite the fact that
no drug therapy has ever rid anyone of any virus ever! You see,
the only success in dealing with viral pathogens has been through
activating the immune system, through vaccines, antibodies, or
other antigens. Aside from a quickie vaccine, nobody in the
AIDS research establishment is sincerely interested in examining
the possibilities of boosting the cell-mediated immune system
and reproducing the (heaven forbid!) concept of a Long-Term
Non-Progressor. When they HAVE involved themselves, they did
so with as little real interest as possible, then they merely
allowed the design of the experiment or trial to fail from
the very outset, scientific misconduct notwithstanding.
And never a peep from the drug activist crowd.
fred
Bernie <K…@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Ekasit wrote:
>> Dear friends
>> I have something to ask you. If we happen to have someone we know infected
>> to Aids, how are we going to live with them and ease their mind condition?
>Show them Dr. Duesberg’s research that HIV does not cause AIDS..
> A.B.T.
Duesberg has done naf-all ‘research’. He has done NO lab work with
HIV. He is merely a truth filter.
I’ve got to agree, however, that your proposal would certainly ease
this "mind condition". Pity about the prognosis after that though.
Yes we’d have a world full of people like Bernie and Johndog with
their "eased mind conditions". Hey, doesn’t the Church of Scientology
do that shit too?
Ekasit wrote:
> Dear friends
> I have something to ask you. If we happen to have someone
> we know infected to Aids, how are we going to live with
> them and ease their mind condition?
First of all, let them know that no virus, not
even smallpox, is fatal for everyone. For some reason
many doctors and other people think that HIV infection
is going to prove to be 100% fatal. That is not true,
and never was. We do not know yet what percent of people
with HIV infection will develop AIDS or die from AIDS
related illness. It may turn out to vary quite a bit
depending on the subtype of HIV the person is infected
with. Right now, we know that many people are
long term survivors or long term non-progressors, because
they have lived with the virus for over 10 years and
still don’t have AIDS, or have had AIDS symptoms but
overcome them.
Second, let them know that treatment options
are improving. There is still no "cure", but the
recent protease inhibitor drugs are far better than
anything we had before.
Third, try to help them get their mind off
it, and help them to lead a healthy life. Worrying
is not good for the body or the mind. A healthy diet
and exercise may go a long way toward keeping a person
healthy.
Also, do what you can to get the best medical
advice you can find. Is there any possibility the
HIV test was wrong? Could it have been a false positive?
Can you get another test done at another lab to make
sure? If the test is right, do you know what subtype
of HIV it is? It looks like your e-mail came from
Thailand, where subtypes B and E are both found.
Don’t ask them to read this newsgroup. It is
agravating, confusing, and largely a waste of time.
Mostly a lot of nasty flames, that do not provide much
useful information.
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In article <331DD42E.4…@prodigy.net> K…@prodigy.net "Bernie" writes:
> Ekasit wrote:
> > Dear friends
> > I have something to ask you. If we happen to have someone we know infected
> > to Aids, how are we going to live with them and ease their mind condition?
> Show them Dr. Duesberg’s research that HIV does not cause AIDS..
Yup, and let them read the realist websites:
Professor Duesberg: http://www.duesberg.com
Rethinking AIDS: http://www.xs4all.nl/~raido/
Sumeria: http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/aids.html
HEAL: http://www.aidsnyc.org/heal/
NY Native: http://www.refuse-resist.com/iajr/
There is no shortage of honest information about "Aids". The days
when only lies were told are long gone. (Lies are still told by
ignorant doctors and corrupt scientists, but the truth is easier
to find these days than ever before.)
Help save your friends lives. Let them know the truth.
John
—
"Predictions that "HIV" would put at risk all sexually active people
have proved completely ill-conceived. Even female prostitutes do not
get Aids unless they are also heavy drug users."
from _AIDS: The Failure of Contemporary Science_,
by Neville Hodgkinson
"W. Fred Shaw" <freds…@primenet.com> wrote:
>Excluding Duesberg from the discussion and analyzing the facts
>and the science…
How could you ever *include* Duesberg if looking at facts and science?
>Aside from a quickie vaccine, nobody in the
>AIDS research establishment is sincerely interested in examining
>the possibilities of boosting the cell-mediated immune system
>and reproducing the (heaven forbid!) concept of a Long-Term
>Non-Progressor.
I do agree with you here Fred. It seems existing (even the most
potent) antivirals alone seem to be insufficient to tip the balance in
favor of a weak cell-mediated response for a lot of people. However,
another piece of your ‘circumstantial’ evidence appears to have found
that HIV itself *does* directly hyperactivate the immune system.
A narrow region of tat now appears to mediate a ‘superinduction’
of IL-2 which seems to mediate the activation of T-cells. Although
HHV-6A and other pathogens have also been implicated in such
hyperactivation, this is the first time that HIV itself has DIRECTLY
been associated. Dr. Verdin suggests these new findings may "bring the
role of immunotherapy back into the forefront"…
HIV-1 Itself Induces State Of Immune Hyperactivation
WESTPORT, Mar 07 (Reuters) – It’s known that a chronic state of immune
hyperactivity occurs in patients infected with HIV-1, and that
activated T cells are necessary to perpetuate HIV-1 infection. A New
York team now reports that HIV-1 itself appears to cause the immune
hyperactivation, mediated by the HIV-encoded transactivator Tat.
Through a series of experiments, Dr. Eric Verdin and his colleagues at
the New York University School of Medicine in Manhasset, New York,
first showed that secretion of interleukin-2 (essential for T cell
proliferation) is increased in HIV-1-infected T cells in response to
costimulation of the receptor molecules CD3 and CD28.
Moreover, costimulation of CD 28 was strictly required for
superinduction of interleukin-2 and did not occur with CD3 stimulation
alone.
The researchers then examined the role of Tat in T cell activation,
and found that superinduction of interleukin-2 occurred only in clones
expressing the two-exon form of Tat, not the one-exon form. They
conclude that the process is therefore …exclusively dependent on the
29 amino acids encoded by the second axon of Tat.
Previously, activation of T cells was considered more likely to occur
through indirect mechanisms, Dr. Verdin told Reuters Health. "We know
that HIV can’t infect resting T cells. What we haven’t known is
"…where are all these activated T cells coming from?" Although these
findings do not rule out an indirect mechanism–and in all likelihood
indirect mechanisms are also playing a role in the process, he
continued–this is the first evidence that HIV directly causes immune
hyperactivation.
Dr. Verdin also believes these results "…bring the role of
immunotherapy back into the forefront." Although antiretroviral
therapy will continue to be the primary treatment for HIV infection,
he told Reuters Health, these findings may lead to therapeutic methods
of restoring immune function. Preliminary studies are now underway
that are examining candidate agents that specifically target this
mechanism (the CD28 pathway). He also believes that the fact that they
have so precisely defined this mechanism is "very hopeful" for
designing potential therapeutic interventions that will have a very
specific target and will therefore not otherwise harm the
patient’s immune system.
Science 1997;275:1481-1484.
>And never a peep from the drug activist crowd.
Why can’t you relate to the concept of plain old activist? Must you
subcategorize?
b…@t10.lanl.gov "Brian Foley" writes:
> First of all, let them know that no virus, not
> even smallpox, is fatal for everyone.
This is especially true for non-existent ones, like
"HIV".
> Second, let them know that treatment options
> are improving.
Advise them to steer well clear of any "treatments",
as this seems to be the only way alleged "HIV positive"
people are made seriously ill and even killed.
> Could it have been a false positive?
Many scientists now believe ALL "HIV positive" test
results to be false positives. It seems very likely
to be true.
> Don’t ask them to read this newsgroup.
They could learn the truth! (Not good for the "Aids"
business!) If your friend keeps well clear of "Aids"
drugs, and gets genuine health care for any illness,
he should enjoy a long life. Avoid any "Aids drugs"!
Here are some useful websites to consult.
Professor Duesberg: http://www.duesberg.com
Rethinking AIDS: http://www.xs4all.nl/~raido/
Sumeria: http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/aids.html
HEAL: http://www.aidsnyc.org/heal/
NY Native: http://www.refuse-resist.com/iajr/
John
—
"We have not been able to discover any good reasons why most
people on earth believe that AIDS is a disease caused by a virus
called HIV. There is simply no scientific evidence demonstrating
that this is true." Kary B. Mullis, Nobel Laureate, chemist.